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Medieval II Total War: Best Strategy Against the Mongols

Complete strategy guide to defeat the Mongol horde. Explains the advantages and disadvantages of field battle and siege battle, And how to use your army effectively to defeat the Mongol.

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In Medieval II Total War sometimes the Mongol invasion become a problem for some player. In this article we will talk about how to defeat the Mongol horde in field battle, siege battle and how to hold the long enough while you building your army. Before you go to fight the Mongols, you should learn about your own condition. Do you have enough money to train a lot of units to face them in field battle? Do you have enough tower and good spear men to face the in siege battle? After you learn about your condition, you can decide which strategy is the best for you.

Field Battle Vs Siege Battle

The best strategy to defeat the Mongols in Medieval II is to force them into siege battle. There are several reasons for this.

Why filed battle is a bad strategy ?

  1. In Medieval II, the Mongol hordes usually tend to stick together. Because of this, other armies will join the battle as reinforcements, when you attack one of their armies. In Medieval II you can avoid this if your general has the "night-fighter" trait.
  2. In Medieval II, the Mongol army consists of mostly horse archers which have experience between 3 and 6 experience levels, thus making them versatile and deadly on open field inflicting your army heavy damages
  3. In Medieval II your heavy cavalry will be very difficult to catch and pin them down. Trying to take them with your horse archers doesn't work too well either.
  4. In Medieval II, the Mongol horde generals are good leaders that have dread levels up to 9-10 points and their command abilities are over 7 stars. So their army have great bonuses on the battlefield.
  5. In Medieval II, the Mongol bodyguard has a disciplined mental state, highly trained in formation and each member has 2 hit-points instead of one. Trying to catch and kill the general on the field is a hard task, even if you pin him down, the other units will mostly come to his aid.

Why siege battle is a good strategy ?

  1. In Medieval II, the Mongol's main weakness is their cavalry-heavy composition. Cavalry can't operate siege engines nor can they scale walls. If you can disable their rams, trebuchets and catapults, then you don't even need to fight their cavalry. Their Foot Archers are very bad in melee, and even their capable Mongol Infantry are no match for a good unit of dismounted knights.
  2. In Medieval II, although the Mongol usually tend to besiege the cities with multiple armies, their generals sometimes besiege the cities with a single army. This gives you the chance of a fair fight. If you have a capable garrison, you have the chance to kill the Mongol horde generals.
  3. In Siege battle, you have the advantages of ballista and cannon towers which can inflict serious damages to the Mongol army, in field battle you don't have this advantage. If you had brought siege engines, It works little against the Mongols because their army has high mobility, making them hard targets. But in besieging cities they are grouped together in formation and marching slowly that makes them excellent targets for your ballista and cannon towers.
  4. While at the field battle the horse archers give the Mongols huge advantage. On the siege battles the cavalry lead them to their downfall. Even the worst spear men can take down a well armed cavalry member easily in Medieval II.
  5. In Medieval II, the horse archers tend to charge in the breaches, which incapacitates their horse arching ability that makes them easy prey for your spearmen. If you have many spear men, and also decent heavy infantry place them on the breach or the broken gate to destroy their units.
  6. In Siege battle the Mongols general will throws himself into hundreds of spear and when their general falls, all the bonuses that he gives his army is nullified
  7. In siege battle you have the chance to surround the enemy, pin it near the gate and destroy the routing units before they have a chance to escape

Playing Siege Battle

Because the Mongol have very bad infantry in Medieval II, the key is to let them break through your gates and crowd the area close by with spear men to kill their cavalry as they rush through. Support your spear men with your heavy infantry. Sometime the AI will send his general unit through the gates first. Kill him as fast as you can, and you will start a chain rout. Spear Militia with schiltrom is really great to hold your gates in siege battle. A single unit of 120 men can hold up 4 units of cavalry and routed them all.

Having a couple of trebuchets parked in cities that they like to besiege will make your defense more effective. In Medieval II, trebuchets have enough range to batter them when they're sitting out of arrow range. Cannon and Ballista towers are great, just sit back and watch the Mongols being rained with lead and flaming arrows. Cannon towers will often disable a ram right off the bat. If you don't have them in your border settlements, then you can send a suicide unit out to engage the soldiers who are operating the ram. By the time your suicide unit is dead, a siege tower or ladders will be at your walls and the Mongols will forget about their ram.

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Comments (18)
#1 by warguppy, Dec 24, 2007
I'm eager to try this startegy out against the Mongols.
#2 by blondie, Jan 4, 2008
ive used a similar strategy to this versus the timurids.

it required having a citadel and allowing the first section of it to be taken after having 1 unit on the walls to control the towers long enough.

since the timurids have elephants and lots of artillery this worked well since i just stacked the third and second section walls with archers and i had to do this about 10 times +

but one thing you quickly learn is that u cant rely on the computer to automatically win any defending situation for you lol
#3 by xterminate, Feb 11, 2008
Currently using siege strat against timurids and mongols sim (VH/VH/NOlim civ Denmark at war with e1 pretty much). By far the most advantageous strat in terms of casualties and officers. So long as you have an upgraded (fortress at least) to hold them at. Because of the tendency to siege cities with multiple armies beware of trying to hold a CITY in this fashion for a long time. so far at least, citadel of Thorn has been holding out against the poles/ hungarians; and citadel sarkel against the timurids and mongols.

A seedier strategy is to allow the AI to break your 1st wall in a citadel and positioning your army to defend the 2nd/3rd layers...not only are the towers closer together so more firepower but, as well, so long as you keep the 1st wall unrepaired it nearly guarantees a long traffic jam for your missle troops as well as having the effect of breaking up w/e force is attacking you. Rams can go thru broken gates and walls but towers cant and since the 2nd cit wall is always embanked....just do the math
#4 by RockWoo, May 20, 2008
I trained lot of arab cavalry (80 soldiers,egypt)so i am always using them to crush the mongols.Their archers shocking when they see 2000 of cavalry lol.But u need lot of money to train them.
i have the spanish and anotaloia borders and also nearby cities of jerusalem and moor's region.But all europe is against to me.If there is somebody to this u should take care of this ;)
#5 by apathyboy, May 31, 2008
Mongols are fairly easy to beat even in the field. Playing as the French, a mixed army of a few archers (3-4) some heavy cav (6 at least) and the rest heavy infantry will kill them pretty effectively on open ground. Just form the heavy infantry into one big line (wider than the mongol front), and charge forwards, with cav on the flanks and archers directly behind. Wing the cavalry out to kill any archers flanking the main line/disrupt cavalry charges into your own flanks. The enemy infantry archers will usually either stay to duke it out, or be too disorganized to retreat properly, and will get overwhelmed and start trying to melee with your (much better) infantry. Pull the cavalry around and in from the flanks and rear to slow the archers down if they're still trying to retreat, or to surround them if they're standing and fighting. Use the archers to pincushion the enemy general or any horse archers that are bothering your infantry.

your cavalry will probably get raped, since they have to be the blocking force and stay in contact rather than charging in and out of battle, but its still cheaper and more versatile than having an all cavalry army

Remember to execute the prisoners too, no point in fighting soldiers twice, and they're filthy heathens to boot. Nothing says "leave my country alone" like a dozen princes and generals named "_____ the Merciless"
#6 by Mishkawy, Jun 3, 2008
this really helps allot but I don't think its that easy if you are Egypt as you are the first to face the Mongols and you wont discover gunpowder before they come. is there a certain way to fight them if you are Egypt?
#7 by MacArthur, Jun 13, 2008
If u r low on money and u dont no this yet press ` and type in add_money 40000 and press the up arrow and enter until u have as much money as u want. I dont no if there is a certain way to fight the mongols if u r egypt. my adivice is to find a strategy that works and stick with it. If u need help with choosing units just choose quality over quantity
#8 by MacArthur, Jun 13, 2008
there is a way that u can win every time using auto resolve press ` and type in auto_win defender if u r the defender or attcker if u r attcking. if u dont no who is the defender or who is the attacker. the is the person getting attacked, if u r seiging a place and they come out and attack u. u r the defender. if u r on some ones land and they attack u. u r the defender
#9 by Duder, Jun 15, 2008
as egypt I do half horses archers and half royal mamluks or normal mamluks. you can even have 3/4 of horse archers. This doesnt work againts the timurid elephants. Use your horse archers to kill theirs. you put you melee cavalry as far as the enemy as possible. inflict as much damage with your horse archers dont worry about your casulties do hit and run and bring them to you heavy cavalry. Try to kill as much heavy lancers as you can with your horse archers cause they are the best cavalry of the game.Ho ya ,never sacrifice your generals just retreat them. I always play at very hard setting.
#10 by DCD, Jun 17, 2008
It works to a exstent if your agant the mongols it should go fine if your have a citatal or huge city or fortress or minor city but the timrods tend to break the wall with there arilary
#11 by John, Jun 17, 2008
Mongal infentry genraly cant meet up to the knights of the west but there cavirly are like a wall so spear men are your best bet (never auto_resolve agnist either)
#12 by Bob, Jun 30, 2008
one of my favorite things do do against the mongols/timurds (this requires ALOT of moneybut works out well) is to bribe their generals away you have to have an xperinced diplomat tho but you destroy a mongol army and you got a awesome general but you cant bribe away the khan and khanzada but they usually have the weaker armys which can be easily destroyed :)
#13 by Jake, Aug 8, 2008
Hmmmmmmm... All these tips may work, but what I like to do while defending a settlement under siege is to attack them before they attack you.

- Group all your infantry at the gates.
- If the enemy has less archers than you, send your archers just past the main gate and open fire. The AI will automatically pull its troops back and in some cases you can kill off 40% of your opponent without resistance.
- Then when cavalry charges your missile troops, send them back on the walls and place your infantry where the archers once were.

Hope this helps :)
#14 by Chief, Aug 12, 2008
So lets say you own Baghdad and you are being attacked by the mongols, but you keep beating them, and dont let them take the city. Will they keep sending new armies till they take it?
#15 by cooldude, Aug 31, 2008
Its easy to beat mongols with byzantines just hit them with your cavalry and use your latinkon and spearmen to take the bulk with the cavalry going around and smash them in the back (try not to get a general to fight to the death)
#16 by Ayuoobi, Sep 6, 2008
hey i was wondering how big can you make your army max? because i saw a guy who posted that he had 2000 cav, is this through reinforcements or is there a way to maximize your army capacity?
#17 by Hussar , Sep 10, 2008
I beat the whole mongol army befor all on open feild when i was useing poland on hard. i sent my top 4 generals filled up all armys with only calvary and horse calvary and attacked one or two armys at a time, sometimes even auto resolved. The mongols didnt even get a city, other then the ones they sacked in eastern russia, btw i didnt use money cheats i had the money be sending crusades at the begining of the campain and sacked every city in egypt and turk's i had about 150000 florins from that, which is also a good stragety to get money without hacking.
#18 by qwerty, Sep 28, 2008
Against the Mongols I produce infantry and archer heavy armies because if you go into their territory with a big army you can entice them into attacking you on advantageous ground - especially if they have superior numbers. Just make a big batch of high-grade foot troops (dismounted anything), a bunch of archers and a few cavalry units to run down the routed units, and maneuver them onto advantageous ground. Wash rinse repeat [=
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